Robert Reich: What Dr. Phil Wants Me To Do – OpEd


A few days ago, I received an email from an associate producer at the Dr. Phil Show. They recently came across my film “Inequality for All” and wanted to know “if I’d be interested in joining Dr. Phil as an expert guest for an upcoming episode.” 

Hey, why not? The Dr. Phil Show is the number 1 rated daytime TV talk show in America. It has over 2 million viewers. I have lots to say to those viewers about the perils of widening inequality. 

Then I read the rest of the email. 

“For this conversation we will be asking questions like do college admissions enroll minorities over prospective Caucasian students? Are Caucasian teachers and professors being laid off to ‘make up for past discriminations’ against minority educators, as seen in Minneapolis?” 

These were the only questions included in the email. In other words, it will be a show about favoritism to Black people over white people. 

What’s going on here? The Dr. Phil Show isn’t on Fox News. It’s carried by CBS. 

Phil McGraw himself isn’t a rabid right-winger. At least not that I know of. 

(He did appear on Fox News soon after the start of the pandemic to argue against temporarily closing down the economy — claiming that the likelihood of dying from COVID was no greater than likelihood of dying in a car accident or drowning in a swimming pool. By that time 3,000 people had died of the infection. Two years later, it had taken the lives of 1 million.)

But the point I want to make isn’t solely about Dr. Phil. It’s about the people who produce popular TV talk shows. 

They decide two hugely important things: (1) the topics to be discussed, and (2) how those topics are framed.

These two decisions determine what issues the the public focuses on (out of an almost infinite number bubbling up each day) and what’s debatable about them (out of an almost infinite number of possibilities). 

And these two determinations in turn fuel public emotions — ranging from anger, indignation, and outrage, to hope, pride, and confidence. They affect our daily conversations. They shape our politics. They divide or connect Americans. They help set the national agenda. 

Take the recent contract agreement between the Minneapolis teachers union and the Minneapolis school district — the issue Dr. Phil’s associate producer wants me to talk about. 

That contract says that if school budgets must be cut, white teachers will be laid off before those from “underrepresented” populations, regardless of seniority. If school budgets then expand, “underrepresented” teachers will be reinstated before white teachers, regardless of seniority.

MAGA outlets, blogs, and social media sites have gone nuts over this. Racial preferences for Black people have become a hot-button issue, especially among struggling working-class whites. 

Viewed this way, this issue lends itself to the rightwing argument that “coastal elites” have rigged the economic game against white working people in favor of “less-deserving” people of color. Naturally, this infuriates a lot of working-class whites.

Presumably, this is the debate Dr. Phil’s producer has in mind. But it’s the wrong issue and the wrong debate. 

Go a bit deeper and you’ll see why. The goal of the Minneapolis school board is to remedy continuing effects of past discrimination, by supporting “the recruitment and retention of teachers from underrepresented groups” [emphasis added]. 

This is a particularly important goal in Minnesota’s schools, where 5.6 percent of licensed teachers identify as a teacher of color or American Indian, compared to 30 percent of students.

Research shows having teachers of color in the classroom has a positive impact on students — not just students of color but also on white students — including improved test scores and higher graduation rates.

But in a last-in-first-out seniority system, teachers of color are more likely to be laid off when budgets are cut. That’s because they’ve entered the profession more recently, so have less seniority.

In the Minneapolis public schools, fewer teachers of color are tenured than white teachers. State law requires that teachers be on probation until completing three consecutive years of work.

So the new Minneapolis contract is serving a particularly important public purpose in a system where seniority and tenure would otherwise discriminate against people of color. The contract is leveling the playing field and helping insure that more teachers of color are in classrooms. 

But do you think for a moment that I’d be able to explain all this on the Dr. Phil Show? 

Not a chance. I’ve been doing television interviews for forty years. I’d be lucky if I got out two sentences before another guest, representing the “other side” of the issue, jumped down my throat, charging “racism!” 

So what are millions of daytime TV viewers likely to learn from this discussion about whether “Caucasian teachers” are “being laid off to ‘make up for past discriminations’ against minority educators, as seen in Minneapolis?” 

That government is favoring Black teachers over white teachers — and that lots of people are mad about it. 

I’m sending my regrets. 

My bigger regret is that the national conversation is in the hands of producers chasing ratings and advertising dollars, will no regard for how they’re distorting the public’s understanding of what’s important or the core choices lying ahead.

Robert Reich

Robert B. Reich is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley and Senior Fellow at the Blum Center for Developing Economies, and writes at Reich served as Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration, for which Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the twentieth century. He has written fifteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock", "The Work of Nations," and"Beyond Outrage," and, his most recent, "The Common Good," which is available in bookstores now. He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine, chairman of Common Cause, a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and co-creator of the award-winning documentary, "Inequality For All." He's co-creator of the Netflix original documentary "Saving Capitalism," which is streaming now.

3 thoughts on “Robert Reich: What Dr. Phil Wants Me To Do – OpEd

  • September 14, 2022 at 10:07 am

    The goal of having more minority teachers is commendable. However, it is still problematic to fire a teacher with more seniority (and experience) simply because he/she is white. There must be a better way.

    • September 14, 2022 at 5:45 pm

      Did you read the entire article?

  • September 14, 2022 at 12:05 pm

    Teachers aren’t going to be fired for being white. They are being laid off due to budget cuts, in theory. My issue is, what State in it’s right mind is cutting school budgets?
    States, especially red states, have been cutting education budgets for years and the results have been devastating.
    We need to be investing in our schools right now, more than ever.
    We need to be hiring teachers (if you can find them) and paying them more, not laying them off.
    But as far as the contract in Minnesota goes, I would argue that experience doesn’t necessarily equate being a better teacher. In a perfect world, performance would be the guiding factor, namely student performance, in determining which teachers are favored over others.
    But, disadvantaged students historically have had lower test scores than their peers that come from better means and schools that are located in areas where the majority of students come from low income households have traditionally also had lower test scores, so judging teachers and school systems based off of test scores or performance is a bad idea as well.
    In Georgia, where I’m from, the state penalizes schools with the lowest test scores by reducing funding. Exactly the opposite of what these schools need.
    But this is done in the name of ‘School Choice’ and to promote for-profit schools such as those that Betsy Devos and her family are so heavily invested in.
    One thing is for certain, Minnesota is trying to do something to level the playing field a bit and more importantly, help students. Which is what they should be focused on.
    Let’s give them a minute to see what the results are and then make a judgement as to whether or not it was a good and effective policy.
    And, if it isn’t, then they can always change it.


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